If we're a lottery team this year....(2009 Draft Thread)

[skiNs]

While I'm not conceding the season just yet, it can't hurt to start talking about prospects and what our needs will be come draft time.

Now, I don't follow college basketball all that closely, so I'm sure other people would have more input here, but I don't know of any "can't miss" picks (e.g. Oden, Rose). Of course it's quite early still and I'm sure a few will separate from the pack.

I don't see us going for Rubio or Jennings, seeing as we just locked up Gil and converting him to SG likely won't happen. The one guy that really stands out is Blake Griffin. I'm not sure how well he'd fit into our "system", but it's clear PF is one of, if not our weakest positions. The kid looks like he could be a verifiable beast.

What say you? :dunk:

[lilshiraz]

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=1778009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbOgK1tTFQw&eurl=http://www.nbadraft.net/players/demar-derozan

[billtimore]

if we were to somehow get a lottery pick and receive a player that could contribute immediately, i think it would be best going after a pf. hopefully brendan and javale would have the center spot on lock next season. Now jamison could still be the starter, but he wouldn't have to log a lot of minutes, and we could have a young pf to come in that might actually know what defense is, and we would also have another reason to get blatche outta here.

I hardly follow college ball either, so i want to hear what other suggestions other members have. are there any good sg/sf combo type players that will be lottery bound this season?


Also, i might be alone in this, but am i the only one who thinks that tyler hansborough(sp) will end up like songaila when he is in the nba ?

[0>23]

Also, i might be alone in this, but am i the only one who thinks that tyler hansborough(sp) will end up like songaila when he is in the nba ?

You are not alone billt, Hansborough is so extremely above average and nothing more that it kills me how much attention he gets. Guys like him go on to have decent NBA careers. Just my opinon, and anyone can feel free to disagree but i rank the PF's in the next draft like this..

1. Blake Griffin 6-10 PF/C Oklahoma / Sophomore
2. Earl Clark 6-9 PF/SF Louisville / Junior
3. Patrick Patterson 6-8 PF kentucky / Sophomore
4. Tyler Hansbrough 6-9 PF North Carolina / Senior

To me, Hansbrough lacks speed, explosiveness and length. I think he is great around the basket and thats what makes him a 1st round pick but I don't even think he's a lottery pick if some of the guys they are talking about coming out come out, i.e. Brandon Jennings, Rubio, DeRozan, Mullins, Harden, Holiday and the guys I have ranked above Tyler.

My 2c.

[admin]

shiraz- cool video, nice jams but he wont last 3 seasons in the NBA. He is slamming against "kids" let him try that against anyone decent in the NBA and he will look like a fool. Where is his defense? outside shot? he is FAIL in the making imo

[skiNs]

shiraz- cool video, nice jams but he wont last 3 seasons in the NBA. He is slamming against "kids" let him try that against anyone decent in the NBA and he will look like a fool. Where is his defense? outside shot? he is FAIL in the making imoSecond half of the video displayed a pretty nice shot, I dunno. Doesn't exactly look like the type of player we'd go for, though.

[lilshiraz]

shiraz- cool video, nice jams but he wont last 3 seasons in the NBA. He is slamming against "kids" let him try that against anyone decent in the NBA and he will look like a fool. Where is his defense? outside shot? he is FAIL in the making imo

honestly i do agree with you. he kinda reminds me of Nick. but Nick is better. this guy is going top 5 for sure. just keep an eye out for him in college. i think we need a big.

Demar is a freak. if he improves on his shot a bit more he will be a STAR

[admin]

honestly i do agree with you. he kinda reminds me of Nick. but Nick is better. this guy is going top 5 for sure. just keep an eye out for him in college. i think we need a big.

Demar is a freak. if he improves on his shot a bit more he will be a STAR


I agree with you but we have been saying the same thing about blatche, its all woulda, coulda shoulda but you never know

[bugski1210]

Hasheem Thabeet out of UConn...assuming he comes out after this season.

[InErnieITrust]

I keep having nightmares that while the wiz would have a lottery pick, somehow they would draft Tyler Hansbrough. :banghead:

[bugski1210]

I keep having nightmares that while the wiz would have a lottery pick, somehow they would draft Tyler Hansbrough. :banghead:

Dear Jeebus I hope not...

[skiNs]

Griffin with 35/21 tonight.

[TheREALJBird]

Griffin seems to be the consensus it seems

Edit: If we drafted Ty Hansborough I'd put a bullet between my eyes

[BBallWiz]

Griffin would be sick in a Wiz jersey!

[Rjbatzler]

Best player available. Trust me, that won't be Hansbrough :D

[D.G.A.C.O.L.B.]

This draft is sick with PF's. If that is indeed the way we need to go then this is a great draft to be in the lottery in.

Although I'd be curious how a Thabeet at the 5 and McGee at the 4 combo would work out.

[lilshiraz]

This draft is sick with PF's. If that is indeed the way we need to go then this is a great draft to be in the lottery in.

Although I'd be curious how a Thabeet at the 5 and McGee at the 4 combo would work out.


horrible IMO. neither of them can shoot. they are pretty much the same player and we would have a clogged up paint. but i guess thats good for our team, because we only shoots J's

[D.G.A.C.O.L.B.]

It's a lock we take Vasquez from Maryland in the 2nd if he comes out. I mean the draft is like 8 months away but I'm already calling that. I don't like it but it's gonna happen.

[D.G.A.C.O.L.B.]

And Hansborough isn't a lottery pick. He'll be end of the 1st. No chance we take him. No worries.

[partyonmarz]

And Hansborough isn't a lottery pick. He'll be end of the 1st. No chance we take him. No worries.

yeah, we don't won't that guy

how about Thabeet or Mullens both have tons of talent and prob will enter the draft. we need a big man and these are the two best in the draft imo

[prescrunk]

yeah, we don't won't that guy

how about Thabeet or Mullens both have tons of talent and prob will enter the draft. we need a big man and these are the two best in the draft imo


i second that. BJ Mullens CRUSHES it. just look at this guy:

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/bj-mullens :clap:

[Gil&theWiz]

It's a lock we take Vasquez from Maryland in the 2nd if he comes out. I mean the draft is like 8 months away but I'm already calling that. I don't like it but it's gonna happen.

I hope he stays for his senior year.

He'll be better off as well

[Starting Lineup]

i second that. BJ Mullens CRUSHES it. just look at this guy:

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/bj-mullens :clap: Bj Mullins has been a disappointment for Ohio State this season. Everyone is expecting Greg Oden 2.0, and this kid just isn't living up to the hype. He will be losing stock all year unless his game picks up. Right now he is splitting time with a Sophomore... Dallas Lauderdale. That kid is a shot blocking fool. 24 blocks in 5 games! His solid play is also eating into BJ's draft status.

[D.G.A.C.O.L.B.]

http://dottingthei.com/index.php/live-game-blog-miami-fl/

BJ Mullens could possibly be the most overrated recruit of all time-he doesn’t rebound, play defense, and worst of all has no offensive skill set

http://phsports.blogspot.com/

3. Washington. BJ Mullens, C, Ohio State. I don’t like this pick at all, because the Bullets (yes, that’s what I call them) invested last season’s 1st round pick on JaVale McGee. However, despite struggling early on, Mullens should improve his conditioning and begin to live up to his lofty standards. If not, don’t be surprised if the Bullets select Greg Monroe from Georgetown.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=23828

mike ohio: ANDY ,SHOULD I BE CONCERNED WITH THE EARLY PLAY OF B J MULLENS SEEMS VERY LOST ,HOW DO YOU THINK THE YOUNG BUCKEYES WILL DO?

Andy Katz: Maybe that's good in a way. So much pressure has been put on the Buckeye big men. Let's let him figure it out first before annointing him the next top pick. That's the way it should work out.

http://www.nbadraft.net/node/4097

It’s too early to call anyone a disappointment, but Ohio State’s B.J. Mullens isn’t exactly convincing anyone in Columbus that he’s the next Greg Oden. After 4 games he has totaled 22 points and 14 rebounds. At times it appears his teammates aren't looking to get him the ball, but then again the times he has gotten it he hasn't set the world on fire. I’m hoping that I see something from him soon… real soon...

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10856

Even with Jennings overseas though there was plenty of hope for 2008. B.J. Mullens came to Ohio State, a university that has grown accustomed to having big contributions from their freshmen centers the past two years, with the chance to raise his stock by playing against a higher level of competition. Despite all his natural tools and incredible size Mullens has yet to earn a consistent spot in Coach Thad Matta's rotation. Mullen's potential is off the charts, but Matta is doing the right thing by making him earn every minute of playing time rather than just giving it to him. It will be better for him in the long run, although his stock is taking a hit right now because of it.

http://www.examiner.com/x-726-College-Sports-Examiner~y2008m12d4-Freshman-duds-Hyped-freshamn-college-basketball-players-off-to-a-slow-start

B.J. Mullens, Ohio State - The seven-foot center hasn't exactly been owning the paint. He's averaging 5.5 points and four rebounds a game so far. For the season, he only has two blocks, which is very un-Odeneque. Mullens did, however, grab nine boards against OSU's stiffest competition so far, Miami.

I think that's enough. Yup. Sounds like a GREAT 1st overrall pick. (That's sarcasm.)

and real quick from some of the same sites, my wish, Blake Griffin: Blake Griffin, PF, Oklahoma. The quintessential power forward, Griffin scores in bunches, fights for every rebound, plays steady man-to-man defense and goes after loose balls. Griffin takes a beating every game, so GMs will examine his health and free throw shooting with a fine tooth comb.
1. Oklahoma’s Blake Griffin – He is a Pro in a college uniform… his numbers (25.7ppg, 19.2rpg, .692 fg%) are scary. I don’t know if anyone can keep this type of pace, but right now it’s hard to believe that anyone is near him in terms of National Player of the Year talk.

[D.G.A.C.O.L.B.]

And I like this rundown of Blake Griffin from draftexpress.com

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Blake-Griffin-1268/

December 11, 2008
Although we’re always reluctant to read too much into the early results of the often mediocre out of conference schedules, it’s become increasingly difficult to ignore the outrageous production of Oklahoma sophomore Blake Griffin.

25 points per game, 16 rebounds—shooting 67% from the field and getting to the free throw line nearly 12 times per game, Griffin is putting up amazing numbers against a couple of decent opponents (namely Purdue, Southern Cal, Davidson, and to a lesser extent Tulsa and UAB)—even hitting a pair of 3-pointers along the way.

Even though NBA scouts will continue to nitpick every possession he plays from here on out, it’s pretty obvious that Griffin has taken a big step forward in his progress as a player, and is clearly living up to expectations-- if not far surpassing them.

We heard quite a bit about the amount of work that Griffin put in this summer, and the results have not been difficult to discern.

Griffin’s ball-handling skills look much improved, as you’ll often see him grab a defensive rebound and begin to dribble the ball up-court himself, adding some nifty spin-moves in for good measure along the way. This isn’t always the best idea in the world considering that he’s 6-10, but it’s nice to see the versatility he displays, and he does a good job showing off his terrific coordination and body control at the same time.

We’re still yet to see the dribble-drive become a real staple of his half-court repertoire, but it’s not very hard to envision that happening down the road considering his terrific tools. Facing up from the mid-post, Griffin’s quickness and fluidity makes him an absolute nightmare to try and stay in front of—which is one of the main reasons he ranks #1 amongst all prospects in our database in free throw attempts.

His unreal combination of strength, explosiveness and aggressiveness contributes heavily in this area as well, making him a near automatic finisher when put in a position to score around the basket. Even when he gets fouled around the rim, or is unable to simply throw down a powerful dunk, he’s often able to convert regardless thanks to his excellent touch and massive hands.

Another area of improvement revolves around his perimeter jump-shot, which appears to have made significant strides. His mechanics look solid, with a nice release and follow-through, and the ability to use the glass in Duncan-esqe fashion. As noted, he’s already hit two 3-pointers this season (his lone attempts), which is pretty impressive despite the limited sample size. He hasn’t really attempted enough jumpers from any range to draw any definitive conclusions just yet, but the progress he’s made is encouraging.

It would be nice to see Griffin improve his free throw shooting, though—still very mediocre at just 60% (up from 59% last season). He’s leaving at least 2-3 points on the board every single night when considering how often he gets there, which may come back to haunt him as Oklahoma approaches the post-season.

Defensively, Griffin still appears to rely too much on his physical tools, even if his intensity looks a bit better than it did last season. He has a tendency to gamble for steals excessively (his quickness makes it quite easy for him to jump in front of post-entry passes) and seems to give up position too easily on the block (possibly to avoid cheap fouls), but there is regardless no doubt whatsoever that he should be able to develop into an excellent defender in time if he wants to thanks to his terrific physical tools, smarts and intensity.

Griffin has been an absolute monster on the glass, leading the NCAA by a wide margin in rebounds per game for all the many reasons already mentioned.

Griffin looks the part of a potential #1 pick, not just because of his production or athleticism, but because of the intangibles he appears to possess. He looks like an excellent teammate-- unselfish, intelligent, and showing the competitiveness of a real winner, which should make teams comfortable about making the significant investment involved in picking him so high.

What’s scary is that he looks nowhere near a finished product at this point. His back to the basket skills could still use work, his decision making lapses on occasion, and he’s a little bit turnover prone. Still only 19 years old, there is plenty of time to work on his all-around polish.

I supersized the part that seperates him from Mullens. We got enough no-heart-having bull**** in Blatche. We don't need another one in Mullens. Griffin ftw

[Starting Lineup]

D.G.A.C.O.L.B.

You could have just taken my word for it on BJ. I'm actually surprised that everyone else has virtually the same opinion of him as I do.

[D.G.A.C.O.L.B.]

D.G.A.C.O.L.B.

You could have just taken my word for it on BJ. I'm actually surprised that everyone else has virtually the same opinion of him as I do.

I knew you were right. I just wanted to show prescrunk and the others what was up.

[Gil&theWiz]

Thank You!!!!!!!!:beerchug:

[prescrunk]

BJ Mullens could possibly be the most overrated recruit of all time-he doesn’t rebound, play defense, and worst of all has no offensive skill set

Evaluation

B.J. is starting to fulfill his potential. He averaged 26 points and 15 rebounds. He is a Big Time talent who posses a nice touch with the ball goods skills along with being an above average athlete. He runs the floor very well for some one his size and can hit the jumper consistently to 15'. Decent passer out of double teams, which he sees quite often. He blocks shots and shows good timing when doing so. He must develop a go to move and understand he has to compete every night at the next level where things will not come as easy. :icon14:

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?page=evaluation&recruitId=43961&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb %2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fpage%3devaluati on%26recruitId%3d43961


own3d ftw

[LooseCannon_aka_one3]

2 Points for DGACOLB :icon14:..........

how does your shytty evaluation own anything? :icon13:

[prescrunk]

2 Points for DGACOLB :icon14:..........

how does your shytty evaluation own anything?

it wasn't my evaluation

[LooseCannon_aka_one3]

it wasn't my evaluation

touche'......well anyways that evaluation made him sound like an average center who needs work and some more passion. My point was that evaluation didn't own anybody.

[0>23]

Evaluation

B.J. is starting to fulfill his potential. He averaged 26 points and 15 rebounds. He is a Big Time talent who posses a nice touch with the ball goods skills along with being an above average athlete. He runs the floor very well for some one his size and can hit the jumper consistently to 15'. Decent passer out of double teams, which he sees quite often. He blocks shots and shows good timing when doing so. He must develop a go to move and understand he has to compete every night at the next level where things will not come as easy. :icon14:

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?page=evaluation&recruitId=43961&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb %2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fpage%3devaluati on%26recruitId%3d43961 (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?page=evaluation&recruitId=43961&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb %2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fpage%3devaluati on%26recruitId%3d43961)


own3d ftw

the only own3d-age that has been done so far in the Great White Hope's young career has been that of the splinters in his ass from sitting on the bench.

He's playing a whopping 16 min p/g right now.

B.J. Mullens #32 C

2008-09 STATS
PPG - 6.4
APG - 0.1
3P% - .000
RPG - 3.6
BPG - 0.9
SPG - 0.6

I'll take the Sophomore who's averaging 22.7 ppg and 15 reb (Blake G.) over another 7'1 project with no heart.

[prescrunk]

He's playing a whopping 16 min p/g right now.



oh yeah, how many is Javale McGee playing? and BJ Mullens is freshman n00b.

(own3d)

[0>23]

oh yeah, how many is Javale McGee playing? and BJ Mullens is freshman n00b.

(own3d)

1st of all, who the hell are you calling a n00b little boy?

2nd of all, how in the hell are you going to compare the production of BJ Mullens to that of JaVale McGee? One is a freshman in college while the other one was drafted and now plays in the NBA.

By the way anybody can find a favorable evaluation of any player in college, here is
JaVale's

Led the WAC in blocked shots (2.8 bpg, ranked 14th nationally), ranked second in rebounding (7.3 rpg), and ranked 10th in scoring (14.1 ppg). Also ranked eighth in field goal percentage (.529). Season total of 92 blocks ranks as the second-highest in school history. Scored 20 or more points seven times, with a career-high 26 points on 12-for-14 shooting vs. Louisiana Tech. Posted eight double-doubles. Registered first career double-double with 20 points and 13 rebounds at UNLV. Tallied 19 points, nine rebounds and six blocked shots vs. California. Scored 15 points and pulled down a career-high 18 rebounds vs. Central Florida. Pulled down 12 boards and blocked a career-high seven shots at Northern Iowa. Recorded 14 points, seven rebounds and four blocked shots at North Carolina. Notched 23 points and 14 rebounds at Fresno State in the regular season finale and tallied 22 points, 10 rebounds and four blocked shots the very next game in the first round of the WAC Tournament.

However, since you want to compare the two, here you go...

They both play roughly the same amount of minutes, 15-16 a game and JaVale is averaging 6.5 pts p/g and 4 reb p/g as well as 1.2 blocks p/g

You know what the GLARING difference is in the two..they have equal numbers statistically but...

ONE OF THEM IS DOING IT AGAINST MEN, while your boy Mullens is playing against kids.

[prescrunk]

Lemonhead
2006-07 (freshman) : 10.0 mpg 3.3 ppg 47.1 ft% 2.2 rpg .9 blk .1 ast .2 stl

BJ "Bruiser" Mullens
2008-09 (freshman): 16.5 mpg 6.4 ppg 61.9 ft% 3.6 rpg .9 blk .1 ast .6 stl

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/teams/stats?teamId=2440&year=2007
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/teams/stats?teamId=194

[LooseCannon_aka_one3]

Lemonhead
2006-07 (freshman) : 10.0 mpg 3.3 ppg 47.1 ft% 2.2 rpg .9 blk .1 ast .2 stl

BJ "Bruiser" Mullens
2008-09 (freshman): 16.5 mpg 6.4 ppg 61.9 ft% 3.6 rpg .9 blk .1 ast .6 stl

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/teams/stats?teamId=2440&year=2007
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/teams/stats?teamId=194

Well if you want to compare their freshman numbers, you at least have to do it on a level scale. Here are their numbers per 40 minutes as freshman (as of right now):

Mullens would be averaging 15.52 points, 8.7 rebounds, 2.2 blocks per 40 minutes.
JaVale would be averaging 13.2 points, 8.8 rebounds, 3.6 blocks per 40 minutes.

The only real big difference there would be that BJ Mullens is hyped as a number 1 pick and JaVale was not.

[Agent0IsMyHero]

Ricky Rubio anyone?

[bugski1210]

If we can't get Blake Griffin I would probably piss my pants with happiness if we got Rubio.

[KingJames757]

I think Hansborough will have a decently succesful NBA career.

[bugski1210]

I think you're wrong... If anything he'll be a decent but not amazing bench player. Either way definitely not worth a lottery pick and I'm not even sure he goes in the first round.

[Starting Lineup]

^
Agreed he will be impressively average in the NBA.

[prescrunk]

turns out yall were right about BJ. forget about that kid.

we need blake griffin! :icon14:

[0>23]

turns out yall were right about BJ. forget about that kid.

we need blake griffin! :icon14:

allow me to clarify prescrunk's post...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=FordDraftWatch-090102&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab3pos1

B.J. Mullens, C, Fr., Ohio State

A number of scouts said over the summer that Mullens had a legit shot to be the No. 1 pick in the draft. With the exception of a 19-point, eight-rebound performance against UNC-Asheville, we haven't seen it. He's blessed with great size and athleticism and, at times, you see his potential shine through. But more often than not he's delivering the four-point, 0-rebound performances we saw against Iowa on Wednesday.

Obviously, if he blows up in the second half of the season, he'll soar up the board. But as of now, he looks so far away from being a legit NBA center that he may be forced to return to school for his sophomore year. That's a huge downgrade in his stock over the course of the past six months.

[prescrunk]

who should we get then? Thabeet?

[BBallWiz]

who should we get then? Thabeet?

No, I think he'll be another project. I don't want the Wiz to have another one of those. If the Wiz don't get the #1 pick (to take Griffin), then I'd hope the Wiz explore their trade options and unload that high draft pick (as long as it is not the #1 pick) with possibly a bad contract (like Etan's) for a good proven player (but not someone at the tail-end of his career).

[LooseCannon_aka_one3]

I am really feelin Harden. We sure could use a Brandon Roy type 2 guard to sure up our starting rotation.

[prescrunk]

yeah he's okay but the 2 job is pretty much locked down by Deshawn. imo we need another bruiser.

[bugski1210]

^ How can a guy have a spot locked down from the bench?

[0>23]

^ How can a guy have a spot locked down from the bench?

^ .....
:clap:

[LooseCannon_aka_one3]

The 2 guard is in now way locked down by anyone. That (along with center this year) is our biggest hole. We deseparately need a 2 that can contribute on both sides of the ball.

Just imagine this (pretend since the guy from that article compared Harden to Roy):

1- Arenas/Mike James/Javaris Crittendon
2- Harden(Brandon Roy'esque) /Nick Young/Deshawn Stevenson
3- Caron Butler/Dominic McGuire/Andray Blatche
4- Jamison/Blatche/Songaila
5- Haywood/McGee/Blatche

Now that is a lineup

[BBallWiz]

^ That's a nice lineup with Harden. I think I have changed my stance and would not be disappointed if the Wiz draft either Griffin or Harden (before I only wanted Griffin, and if the Wiz wouldn't have the opportunity to draft him, then I wanted the Wiz to try to trade the pick).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UArpG5UZTbk
That's a sick game he had there. Going for 40! I can see the Brandon Roy comparison. I can also see the Manu Ginobili one that NBADraft.net has for him:
Strengths: Crafty player with great vision and offensive skills … For a player entering college his skills are advanced. Smooth. Can shoot, handle and pass … Elevates his teammates with great vision and unselfish play … Clutch player. A leader, who has the ability to will his team to victory. Similar to Manu Ginobili, he is a tremendous team player who would rather win and score 10 than lose and score 40 … Very cerebral. Does an excellent job of breaking down opponents and taking what the defense gives him … Can stroke it from outside as well as get by his man and take it to the rim … Has worked extremely hard over the summer to gain strength and muscle mass …

Weaknesses: His body type is deceiving as it appears to be soft and uncut … Listed at 6-4, he's likely close to 6-5 but still on the short side for a 2-guard … Can improve the consistency of his outside shooting … His quickness and athleticism, while good wont stand out on the next level … First step and his explosiveness aren't at an elite level … A decent defender who doesn't gamble much, but his lack of great foot speed limits his ability as a lock down guy … A terrific leader who can improve by becoming more vocal …
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/james-harden

Another comparison I can think of Harden to is Michael Redd (him being a lefty and obviously his deadly 3-point shot).